Despite the return of the formerly extinct vacuum tubes –
like the 7591A vacuum tube – during the late 1990s, can the 8417 vacuum tube be
ever resurrected for the benefit of 21st Century audiophiles?
By: Ringo Bones
If you are “fortunate” enough to have started do-it-yourself
high fidelity audio during the 1980s, you might find it disconcerting –
especially for American DIY hi-fi audio enthusiasts – that it was the “modern”
vacuum tubes - like the 7591A power pentode and 8417 beam power tetrode vacuum
tubes - that became extinct, especially during the Reagan Administration. But
given that the 7591A power pentode eventually got reintroduced by
Electro-Harmonix during the late 1990s thanks to Jazz electric guitarists in
the former Warsaw Pact countries, is there any hope for the 8417 vacuum tube to
be resurrected?
Historically speaking, the 8417 beam power tetrode is for
intents and purposes a “modern” vacuum tube because not only it was the last
ones to be developed and marketed during the latter half of the Golden Age Of
Stereo back in 1963 before solid state devices of similar capabilities became
commercially viable years later but also like every solid state audio
amplification the 8417 vacuum tube is designed to work with various degrees of
negative feedback in its operation. During its early days, the 8417 vacuum tube
is described as a “cavity anode” type specifically designed for the Fisher
SA-1000 audio amplifier.
The 8417 vacuum tube has a rated anode dissipation of 35-watts RMS that results in a 100-watt RMS output in push-pull AB1 fixed bias configuration that results in an
audio amplifier using a pair of the tubes.
Even though it first gained popularity in the Dynaco Mark III amplifier during
the early 1970s, it was Quicksilver Audio that brought the 8417 vacuum tube to
worldwide fame back in 1981 when the former founder and owner of Quicksilver
Audio Mike Sanders began selling the Quicksilver MS 190 stereo amplifier.
The Philips 8417 Mono Amplifiers were later developed in
1984 to bring that great vacuum tube sound to the average consumer. Harry
Pearson of The Absolute Sound magazine published a positive review of the
amplifier during that time. Philips managed to manufacture the amplifier until 1998
before manufacturing their batches of the 8417 vacuum tube became no longer
economically viable at the tail end of the 1980s. Quicksilver kept
manufacturing their versions of the 8417 vacuum tube amplifier well into the 1990s
to take advantage of the 1990s era Hi-Fi Renaissance despite of the output tube
becoming virtually extinct at that time.
Given that the 8417 beam power tetrode vacuum tube has no “modern”
equivalent – i.e. post Soviet Russian and post Warsaw-pact manufactured
equivalents – various replacement schemes for the output tubes of 8417 equipped
audio amplifiers were proposed. Owners of Dynaco Mark III amps that use 8417
beam power tetrodes can be “rebiased” to use the more plentiful and still
manufactured 6550 vacuum tube, but unfortunately the Dynaco Mark III’s output
transformers are primarily optimized for the 8417. Too bad nobody manufactured
electric guitar amplifiers that used the 8417 vacuum tubes during the 1960s
because if one company did, Electro-Harmonix would be
remanufacturing their very own 8417 beam power tetrode vacuum tube back in the
late 1990s.
When buying new old stock – or NOS – 8417 beam power tetrode
vacuum tubes, Sylvania are considered the best brand and is relatively widely
available, while General Electric and RCA manufactured ones too with varying
quality and some batches are prone to grid overheating in long hi-fi listening
sessions. It’s best to consider buying General Electric and RCA 8417 vacuum
tubes only when they are those of “specifically manufactured for the U.S. Air
Force types” – i.e. reinforced anode military specification mil spec types.
9 comments:
Compared to "similar" beam power tetrodes, the 8417 vacuum tube - or a well designed amplifier that uses such vacuum tubes - combines the grip of a muscular solid state amplifier with the open gorgeous mid-range of a well designed vacuum tube amplifier.
Another audio vacuum tube audio amplifier using the 8417 beam power tetrode output tube is the Bogen MO-100A. I think it was a stereo 100-watts RMS per channel design that uses the 7247 preamplifier tube - the ruggedised Russian military specification version of the 12AX7 preamplifier tube?
If the 7591A pentode is a "Jazz" vacuum tube, the 8417 beam power tetrode is probably the Jazz Fusion tube because its output capability is "beefy" enough to handle the musical genre's extreme dynamics.
In fact the 8417 was used in Guitar Amplifiers.
I just bought an old SANO 2x12 Combo Amp.
I came to this site, because I never heard of those Tubes before.
They used this tube and the 7591 in their Amps. Fortunately my Pair of 8417 is still going strong. These are nearly impossible to get in Germany, as are the Sano Amps here overseas, too.
I am proud to hear that this is one of the best tubes for Hifi. I'm not much in Hifi, but much in restoring old guitar amps and playing them as much as i can. My Sano 500R2 is a killer amp soundwise by the way.
So does anyone on this thread or in the community know where I can get a pair of 8417s preferably in the UK or Europe.
Thanks
Greg
You state twice that the Dynaco Mark III utilized 8417s. It did not. It uses KT88s. The Dynaco Mark VI mono amps did. They require a matched quad of 8417s.
Actually another guitar amplifier did use a pair of 8417 tubes - it was a hybrid guitar amplifier (solid-state preamp section and tube-driven power section) which was made by Standel/Gibson in the days when CMI was the owner of both companies. Although it is said that it was only manufactured for one year, rumor has it that it was favoured by Jazz and Blues guitarists due to the clean headroom they had. I have one with what appears to be the original 8417 tubes in it (or at least period correct replacements) and indeed can vouch for it's clean sound.
"Too bad nobody manufactured electric guitar amplifiers that used the 8417 vacuum tubes during the 1960s because if one company did, Electro-Harmonix would be remanufacturing their very own 8417 beam power tetrode vacuum tube back in the late 1990s."
Google the Guild ThunderBass!
I bought a Guild Thunderbass Amp back around 1967 that had an 8417 tube in it.
One day, that tube burned out.
I took the tube around everywhere and nobody had ever heard of an 8417 tube.
I went to many many places, including a tube store in NYC.
No dice.
It was never replaced, and the amp never worked again (although I did use the
remaining speaker cab a lot until it wore out).
It seems weird to read all about the 8417 tube nowadays like it was so common.
It sure wasn't when I needed to replace one, back in the 60s.
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